Lmfaooo Fitz was like wait what. #Scandal #funny #Olitz
Joke is a tool and a bitch at that. Only way he could think of getting even. I fault Olivia too, but such a spineless bitch move on his part which is right there with him telling anyone who will listen:
I AM COMMAND!
I AM COMMAND!
I AM COMMAND!
Say it louder sniveling bitch, you might believe it. She took you down. Face it. Rowan ran that shit for 2 decades no peep. You have it for 2 weeks and his kid took your sorry ass down. You can’t COMMAND SHIT.
First rule of Command is don’t fucking talk about Command. Rowan still saying he works at the Smithsonian. That’s how you do it - compartmentalization, discretion and sticking to the lie.
I don’t mind that he’s simple as fuck. I just wish the show would let other people (Olivia!) acknowledge that fact about Captain Ctrl+P
LOL! Joke is such a weak ass whiny punk…Man boy much…And here they are all, calling Fitz a brat and all those child names…Sure, he is a lot of unsavoury things at times, but at least he owns his shit. And no matter how many times they have Joke shirtless on our screen, I’ll take Fitz’s “baaad boy” sexy flirty teasing over that pasty chicken chest ANY. TIME. Ok, sorry for turning this into Fitz versus Joke, thing. Beysus knows Fitz annoys me some right now, but I just couldn’t help it…;)
plot twist: Big Gerry is alive and hired Adnan and Maya for the bombing.
You know it is crazy enough to happen. lol
Season ends with Fitz (and Jerry) going “Dad?” Lol.
plot twist: Big Jerry and Maya were also lovers. Olivia turns to Fitz, “Brother!?!”
If only Scandal would go all the way good bat shit soap opera and be THAT fun…That would be truly genius!
whose business is interfering into other affairs on behalf of her client, should just accept that if that client is going against B6-13 interests or against Jake’s interest, that he is allowed to choke her?
That’s what we as an audience are agreeing to? That is what ABC Scandal is promoting as an…
Ayayaye, here we go again. This horse has been beaten to death. Seriously, it’s not getting back up again. Seabiscuit is dead. I repeat: Seabiscuit is dead.
You can scroll if you don’t want to hear it anymore. That is your option. But I’m asking you not to get on my thread if you aren’t going to either contribute a rebuttal to what I said or a different idea.
Read my timeline…read countless other timelines. We’ve been discussing it to death. “WE ALL DO TERRIBLE THINGS”. This is a recurring theme in every episode. There is no character on the show who hasn’t done something that is, at the very least, a little shady…except maybe Lauren the secretary. So if people are gonna keep griping about Jake, gripe about everyone. Fitz killed someone and is an asshole to everyone but the same people who want Jake dead are the same ones who want Olitz together. I don’t care if Verna was a bitch or Fitz only killed one person. The point is that he did. He’s capable. And he’s a drunk. But he can recite sonnets so everyone’s cool with him basically screwing Olivia in front of everyone. I’m sick as hell of people posting negativity about every single episode each week like it’s supposed to be some after school special or beacon of African American television. Every show on primetime is heavily laced with sex and violence. So if people can’t handle it, why watch? Why torture yourselves and annoy the shit out of people who are actually enjoying the show? What good does that do? Write your own maybe. That’s a start.
"We all do terrible things" is no excuse to accept without reflection any situation presented. All violence is not equal. Violence to a person that hurt you is different from violence done to an innocent is different from violence done to an intimate sex partner. The context of the situation, the motivations going into it, the degree of violence and what kind of consequences resulted from it are all part of the calculation as to whether it’s justified, gratuitous, or problematic.
I watch a ton of violent, grisly shows, and Scandal handles violence atrociously! In particular, it handles the violence against the lead in a way that no other lead across the spectrum of shows, violent or otherwise, is subjected to. Whether it’s Breaking Bad, Dexter, The Following, The Walking Dead, when someone puts hands on the lead, a woman, hell let someone snatch a cat up too roughly, there are fucking consequences. There is a reaction from the lead, there is a change in the relationship, there is a reckoning. Because violence changes things.
I can’t defend Fitz because next season Shonda could turn him into a cannibal exchanging cooking tips with Hannibal. The writers are responsible for whatever good or evil the characters do. The writers are responsible for how the characters react to what is done to them. And the writers have fucked this situation with Olivia and Jake, Olivia and Huck and Quinn and Huck beyond all recognition. And I will drag the writers as long as they keep up this fuckery because this shit is not ok.
That’s how those shows handle it. This is Shonda’s show. She is under no obligation to follow some blueprint for how her characters should or should not react to things. You can drag all day, which seems pointless to me…or stop watching a show you clearly don’t enjoy. But as long as people are “dragging” there will be others who disagree and will voice their opinions too.
The characters on Scandal do react to things and their relationships DO change. The only person who buries things and keeps it moving for the most part is Olivia. She happens to be the lead. That’s just how she deals with situations where she feels she deserves it. It’s true to her character until Shonda develops or devolves her otherwise.
And we’re under no obligation to tailor our blog posts to suit you. If Shonda can do as she pleases, then I guess on our blogs, we can do as we please.
Yeah I see irony in arguing for people to not watch a show. When the same logic can be used to read or not read certain blogs. *shrugs*
just know that if mellie was getting the same physical treatment that olivia is getting, the critics, the mellie stans and any other person who identifies with her or likes her would be up in arms. let fitz put his hands on her neck and slam her again a door. let her and andrew get into a physical altercation and she falls and hit her head. let cyrus put his hands around her neck. then we are talking a whole different ball game.
And you know this… which is why their accusations of bias or whatever has no bearing on the discussion at hand. EVERYONE is biased, when viewing something subjectively, its a given.That doesn’t mean a real discussion on unchecked violence against liv shouldnt happen. If that somehow sours or dampens your enjoyment of the show, there are plenty of tools to prevent seeing or interacting with the topic.
Here, coming from a fascinating, violent, monstrous and brilliantly portrayed character, with no motivation whatsoever.
So many smart, astute, intelligent commentaries above… Sigh!
THIS ! THIS! THIS is why I still watch this show. This fandom, this side of the fandom. Thanks miltonsong, gladiatoringoldglitter, geejayeff & alii.
I watched 208 again and it became super evident to me what made season 3 so different aside from the general tone/darker angle. From the very first episode when she was outed, Olivia has been stuck as the entire surrounding universe swirls evolves around her. Ironically, all the elements that…
Great analysis gladiatoringoldglitter. How come some fans understand and make me care for this character ten thousand time more than the actual writer ?
Mama Pope looks like the type to be laid up with yo husband and then she call you and tell you to use more fabric softener in the laundry.
I wish liv would take some lessons looooool
Right? I need her steeze. I can see why Rowan would have been attracted. Danger can be seductive.
Yep, pretty much geejayeff and gladiatorinrags ! All the fuckery and nonsense of that storyline/plot aside, I quite liked how Momma Pope just hang up that phone and let her 20+ lover get shot. That is some nasty nasty bad ass move. If only there were actual well written plot and storyline behind this… And she is not “all evil” : she actually cares about her daughter…sort of (althought that was such a bad Alias rip off scene, ugh…total fail). So she has one tiny bit of “humanity” left. And yes, Olivia Pope COULD totally be that bad ass woman with one flaw (Fitz). She could totally not give a flying fuck to all of Mellie’s bullshit and read her for filth, choke back Joke or any fucker who would try and put his hand on her, while having a very complicated relationship with OPA’s members and fighting Cyrus, and failing here and there and losing here and there, and all. All it would take, just with all those white lead characters metionned above, is GOOD writing/characterization and a showrunner with a long term, clear vision/idea of who her led character is, where she comes from and where is going to end.
corinnestark is right .. the DNA that Rowan sent was Dominic’s DNA not…
trying to decipher this thread made my brain hurt. I am just in total awe that a paternity storyline is happening on Scandal. I cant even begin to think it through because I am still like wow, they really went there o__0
I know. I know. A couple of months ago when kronoskingofthemonkeypeople, mellygrant, katrinapavela and lazyexceptwhencooking were all doing a podcast talking about the show we were all concerned about Mellie getting raped leaving the question of Jerry’s paternity up in the air. I remember all of us were begging that they didn’t go there. And I said if they opened up the door, they are going to go through it and surely enough they did. Sigh.
I dont even know why I am surprised because clearly the mantra in the writers room is “Go for it, characterization or exposition be damned, but its so funny how a show that can sometimes provide all this profound commentary on humanity/life also bites into the cheapest tricks of the trade with equal zeal. Its all so… strange especially because i tend to watch tv in a very cerebral way. Its almost like that part of my viewing personality wants to cry and laugh at the same time. I am not even sure what to feel o__0. I think the writers are literally just trolls of the worst kind because they dont actually interpret criticism as criticism ie. you think calling our show a soap is derogatory boy are we gonna give you soap. Our who’s your daddy storyline is also gonna have sperm stealing AND teenage sex! OMG Groundbreaking! Pushing ALL the boundaries! Edgy prime time tv!….
Personally i’d prefer if they just decided to write the best goddamn soap tv has ever seen instead of using their big budgets and a mass vehicle to spread heir fuckery far and wide but what do i know LOL!
The thing is Shonda wants to be taken seriously. She bristles at the term soap opera being applied to the show, and yet they do the most ridiculous things just for the shock value. smh
Everything gladiatoringoldglitter said ! That is why I feel so insulted as a viewer. I’ve long stopped to care about the show as a whole or consider it quality entertainment (and I range GOOD soap operas into that category), but even with the lowest expectations I am still surprised how deep Scandal keeps digging itself into…
And I feel quite bad for the actors and actresses (actually most of them except for Foley), cause sure they have a regular gig and a pay check and all. But as far as stretching their acting muscles (and growing as an actor and award consideration) goes, this season has turned into a botox experiment gone really really wrong. I think Kerry hasn’t impressed since that scene at the beginning of the season with Joe/Rowan yelling at Liv. She’s all tics and sad/scary faces whether she’s on the phone with Fitz or being chocked by Joke, or being bitch slapped and called names by Mellie. And even Bellamy, who was given the best lines and supposedly best emotional moments during this episode, was acting bad. And she is a decent actress. I was so distracting by her bad drunk/emotional acting in that scene with Kerry/Olivia it took me some time to realize that Mellie actually spilled the rape bean at some moment.
Scandal Season 3 Episode 17 : this music is really too loud…
It seems they think the louder the music, the more meaningful the plot will look like. It so, so distracting, and not in the good way. But maybe that’s their goal : to distract viewer with that awful music in between terrible scenes and stupid dialogues and even stupider plots. Except for the final track. I got to give them credit at least for the final track. That was pretty cool. They sure know how to pick those 70’s or 80’s soul/funk/ rhythm and blues sound track. Pretty cool. It’s like the one touch that kind of remind you how cool this show used to be. Like the single thing that actually stand out : fresh, interesting, original. While everything else is just plain shit…or diarrhoea. You chose.
That never ending B613 dumb and dumber spy agency/terrorist Mommy strolling around town like she owns the place/bitter revengeful Daddy nonsense of a storyline : shit or diarrhoea ? That long suffering raped for sympathy lily white drunk woman’s storyline : diarrhoea or shit ? That despicable torturer/tortured unstoppable sexual attraction arc and sex romp : shit or diarrhoea ? That pathetic laughable “who’s the daddy” bad soap opera plot : diarrhoea or shit ? That vomit inducing “I got feelings for a man who keeps assaulting me but get excused for everything ‘cause Fitz is the devil and Joke has to be the one who saves the day and this is not a fairytale but the worst love triangle bullshit ever that is ruining one of the best paring ever and a once truly enjoyable show” storyline : mega major diarrhoea or super duper shit ? Yeah, tough choices, tough choices. See, even watching what was arguably the one truly vintage Scandal and best moment of the episode with Cyrus back on being a sneaky bastard and NOT making this call and just strolling the WH halls with that smile and that music on the back ground couldn’t make up for that horrendous almost hour of television. Why? Because of that obvious absolutely NOT suspenseful cliffhanger with one hour to go before that stupid bomb explode and Mellie/Bellamy making faces to try and make us care about that boring “whuzthedaddy ?oh oh oh !” idiocy.
See : they couldn’t even go real BIG and blow up all those mofo out of the map in that stupid Defiance school (except for Liv and may be Fitz but I am not even sure…but ok, let’s have Fitz survive) AND at OPA (leaving only Harrison and Abbie slightly injured) AND at the department of Justice (no, don’t care about David, he is useless and his death could have given something for Abby to grieve and all) AND at the WH (just for you Mellie my dear, JUST. FOR. YOU! Cyrus, baby Teddy, Lauren and Morris being the sole survivors). THAT is what a mastermind terrorist (and writer) plot is about. THAT is what should have been a REAL mega super duper badass move from Momma Pope the super duper terrorist cleaning the place from all those stupid storylines and useless characters and contrived plots. GO BIG or GO HOME ! CLEAN IT WITH FIRE ! Big bold reset. Let’s start clean. But nope. Of course nope. This is Scandal after all. The show that only goes from good and almost great to cheap shitty diarrhoea in less than 3 seasons. Yeah…At least, the end is near, right? Just one last episode left…
Basically when you build a world where morality is relative, the audience usually goes by what the rules are in that world to determine who is a good guy and who is a bad guy in it. Hence why GOT is able to draw out who is good and who is bad in their world despite the fact that most of the…
Good analysis. Anybody can try to justify misdeeds by giving excuses and blaming other people, situations and institutions. And most times undiscerning people accept those rationalizations as truth. And that’s why it takes true discernment to be able to see through the bs.
The thing is that is the narrative Scandal is trying get us to believe. Hence why all of a sudden Fitz is a horrible father who doesn’t want to spend time with his kids or knows what is going on in their lives when in season two it was made clear from all the characters, including Mellie, that he was a good dad and his drinking was ruining that. So why did they change that aspect of his character and give Mellie so much concern and knowledge of her children’s lives? Because then it would be easier to make Fitz wrong.
Ditto with Olivia. If only she had picked the single good man (her words that she should have picked standing in the sun with him verses picking Fitz) then he wouldn’t have killed James, he wouldn’t have turned dark, he would still be her Jake is just rather blatant with both what others say to her about both men. So of course when she uses his feelings for him to get information she’s the bad guy because she not only used him but then she endangered the president.
Real talk? They used to do this all the time on soaps when it was obvious that they wanted people to root for certain couples or root for certain characters. You could tell just like I can tell now.
Yep. I know this tactic all too well from being a soap viewer. And it’s the epitome of lazy writing, imo.
This, this ! I think that is what annoys me most with Scandal now (other than the infuriation reactionary gender and race stuff) : I feel so insulted as a viewer by the obvious and heavy handed manipulation. And it’s not that nobody else does it, but at least, with the other shows I actually like, it is WELL done, with good writing and characterization. I still can see where the writers are going and what they want, but is so well done that I don’t mind going their way. Or I can at least give credit to the writer for the way they handled it. I may dislike the outcome, but I can honestly give credit. Even with soap operas : you know that is part of the pattern, and when there are GOOD soaps, they deliver on it. But with Scandal it is SO obvious and lazy that I feel insulted : like they didn’t even try to make it look and sound consistent/coherent, they didn’t even try to execute it flawlessly, they didn’t bother. UGH !
Basically when you build a world where morality is relative, the audience usually goes by what the rules are in that world to determine who is a good guy and who is a bad guy in it. Hence why GOT is able to draw out who is good and who is bad…
Yep, miltonsong for the win : right.on.point !